Q And again, I don't want to harp on this issue over again. Do you provide any specific -- do you -- that kind of explanation you just provided me, do you provide that kind of explanation or guidance to your talent scouts?

A Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, I have people who have been on steroids in the past, some for extended periods of time, some to the point where they have no testosterone in their body at all now. They can't have children now. They have a variety of medical issues that this has caused. And not only has my director of talent relations but I've had direct conversations with these people saying this is not tolerated, it is not expected in this company, we want you to be around when you're 70, 80 years old. I know you, your family, your little kids and you need to make sure that you're under proper care and that you're completely taken care of.

Q To the extent that -- again, you mentioned the look being a big tip. To the extent that one of your talent scouts or anyone else with any organization has a suspicion that a wrestler may be using steroids, do you instruct the talent to inform TNA management as they -- to the extent they provide a recommendation regarding picking up that particular wrestler?

A Absolutely. It is called -- the juice is what they call it. And they -- or the gas, or I think that is the other name that they typically call that. And -- like I said, they -- like this guy is on the gas, this guy is on the juice. You know, you wouldn't want him, he is -- that is not who you'd want.

Q So you have had those specific conversations?

A Absolutely.

Q Do your talent scouts provide written recommendations or --

A No.

Q -- suggestions for particular individuals?

A No.

Q It is all by word of mouth?

A It is -- I mean, the creative committee will call and say -- you know, either the talent relations man will come to creative and say these wrestlers are available or they've shown an interest in working here or the creative group that writes the shows will go to him and say, hey, we are interested in bringing in so and so. Within the last 6 months, we had a concern that there were two people that creative wanted to bring in, that we did not have a knowledge of them, we did not have that personal, you know, working, personal relationship with them and wound up not bringing in one, brought in the other and we could tell -­we didn't even need to test. We could tell right away that he was not -- would not fit the mold and would not be able to pass a test. And he was not invited back after that time. It was a one-time offer to come in.