A Right.

Q This -- as we've walked through the chronology of drafts we've been given, this is the first mention of drug testing in any of the drafts.

A This one right here?

Q Uh-huh. This is the March 23rd draft. Can you -­again, I apologize. This is a little bit specific, but the initial e-mail that began your -- the discussion your talent policy came on February 28th. There were several drafts in between that did not include reference to drug testing of any kind. The reference to drug testing includes finally, appears in the March 23rd draft. Can you walk us through the discussions that ensued between February 28th and the final decision to include, I guess, the decisions not to include drug testing provisions in the initial drafts and then the final decision that led to the appearance of the right to drug test in this March 23rd draft?

A I don't think it was a decision not to drug test at first. We never sat down and said this is our drug policy, now let's put it in place. We throughout this entire policy, the entire talent handbook, we just started off with a first draft and then we reviewed it and brought more people in to look at it and started pulling more information as we were doing it. Considering how understaffed our company was at the time for us to have even turned something around like this was in pretty quick order and showed me that this was a priority for our company on a very fast track. So I think what we did is we just began to pull more policies in, people started talking and we started adding. It was not a conscious decision, oh, let's leave it out at first, no, let's do it and there were no discussions like that had.

Q Were there any discussions before that was included of the potential costs of drug testing or if this -- the cost of including that provision in the draft?

A It was in this -- in the discussing of it?

Q As you discussed the draft, as you discussed how the policies would turn out, was there discussions that it is going to cost us money to drug test, it may end up with -­are we -- we'd have to set up a testing program. We'd have to do X, Y and Z. Were there those kind of economic discussions that were going on about that particular provision or provisions that were not included in drafts for the final version?

A There have been discussion of every time we have had to testing or physicals or things such as that, there has always been financial discussions. Quite honestly up until, you know, this year, we have been operating at a significant loss. And so I'm sure that there were people talking about how much anything costs. We talked about the cost of paper. I mean, it was that kind of an existence for a company.