Q Okay. I was going to say specifically, do you provide guidance to your talent scouts regarding wrestlers who have known or suspected drug problems?

A I don't personally, because I don't know them personally. But they know. I mean, it is one of those it is an industry and it is a very unique industry. I don't come from this industry. I have not been a part of it very long. It is an extremely unique industry. These people know everything about everybody. And probably, because some of them I -- even employees worked with them at times when they knew what they were going through, or things such as that. So they are very aware.

Q And do you provide any guidance to your talent scouts that some of these issues may be red flags?

A Absolutely. We don't hire anybody who has a problem. And -- but we do hire people who are in remission, you know, or who have gone through therapy and have cleaned up their lives and, you know --

Q And how do you determine that they are -- that they're clean?

A Well, we've not tested them prior to them coming in. But we do know, you know. And we do know because these people have either been best friends with them for 10 years, 15 years and they don't hide it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if people know that this person, you know, has been on the record of doing drugs and quit for years leading up to it or whatever.

Q What about steroids in particular? Do you provide talent any -- I ask this question -- steroids -- to the extent someone has a problem with cocaine or painkillers, that is something that I think you're right, it can often be an open secret.

A Very much so.

Q And people know about it. Individuals who are taking steroids, they can be highly functional. It is not like someone who has an addiction to different drugs. How do you -- do you provide any specific guidance with regard to wrestlers who may be using steroids?

A In our drug policy, it says there is no steroid you know, steroids would be coupled under prescription medicine prescribed not by an appropriate physician.

Q Right.

A So that would fall under that. But you're right, I mean, that is the case. I mean, they would be fully functioning. I think the look of a wrestler is your number one ability to be able to look at somebody and tell. Our talent -- I brought them a few pictures. I don't know if you'd want me to show them.

Mr. Cacheris. Not now.

Ms. Carter. But our talent is they just look different. You know what I'm saying? I have never and would never and I profess to tell everybody that, you know, we just want healthy, clean athletes. We don't want anything else. And you do not have to look like a cartoon character. As a matter of fact, that does not fit our mold for our company. And, you know, they -- so that's pretty much the case.