Former WWE and current Lucha Underground Referee Marty Elias was a recent guest on the Pancakes and Powerslams Show. He discussed what it takes to be a good referee, working differently with faces and heels, favorite match he refereed, and more. You can listen to the full interview by clicking here, they sent us these highlights:

Misperceptions of a referee:

"I think most people perceive a referee as some guy that puts on a stripe shirt and counts 1,2,3. It's a lot more detailed than that. That's the stigma, unfortunately, that referees have. [They think], 'He's just a referee.' We're not [just] referees. We're more than that."

Importance of a crowd during a match:

"The crowd is very important. The crowd can dictate where the match is gonna go, because a lot of the old school guys, they call it in the ring. More times than not, they would have a finish, and everything else was about feel. For me personally, I'm able to gauge a crowd.

"One of the most important things that Shawn Michaels told me as a referee was to know the audience, because if you have somebody sitting in the front row, and their sitting back in their chair and leaning, that means you don't have them. But if they're leaning forward, and their really looking in it, that means you've got em."

Distinction between working with a face and working with a heel:

"For example, let's say a heel has a babyface in the corner. And, more times than not, referees start their count. You're killing that heel's heat because you're not giving him time, and you're not giving the fans enough time to absorb what he's doing. So when you're giving that fast count, you're not giving the heels enough time to communicate with the audience."

His favorite match he refereed:

"Shawn Michaels-Undertaker, WrestleMania XXV. Match of the Year, 2009."

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